Controversial: Abortion

[Ego]

r u talking about twinkytoes parents xD

No, we are talking about yours.

[Ego]

Ahem, What do you mean "we"? I clearly quoted Natural taint.

We are conjoined twins.

Stop typing like you know basic english u hav 2 tlk liek dis rite?

[iaccidentallytwink]

We are conjoined twins.

Stop typing like you know basic english u hav 2 tlk liek dis rite?

He knows he'll get banned unless he trolls with basic grammar in his post.

[Ego]

He knows he'll get banned unless he trolls with basic grammar in his post.

How he isn't banned yet amazes me. And saying he can troll is a bit of a compliment : \. Hamcake does much better and even makes me lol on occasion. This bad just, well boring .

[Twinkytoes]

lvl 1 twink is mad guys watch out he mit auto attak me

rofl. Sorry ego I lol'd hard.

[Cptheal]

wil i git benned 4 tlkn liek dis? :P

[Ego]

lvl 1 twink is mad guys watch out he mit auto attak me

We sinister strike nub.

[scytale]

i especially like watching the youtube clips and stuff where people go up to the picketers and ask them basically, 'if abortion was made illegal, what would the penalty be to people who break the law....are there ever any exceptions to the law' (ex. mother will die from complications, child will die, both will die). they never have an answer b/c they havent thought that far. they just protest out of morals (read: religion) and have no solution to what would happen if abortion was made illegal or restricted. kudos to blind zealots!

Anyone can point to the extreme sides of an argument and call use that as a reason to "disprove" its relevance. Bringing up stuff like that is pointless. There are complete morons on both sides. I could just as easily bring up back-alley abortions and those crazy bitches that are on their 10th abortion just cuz they like to screw.

For relevance: I'm a late 20s male, college educated, married for 4 years, have a 3yr old boy and another 4 months out. Oh, and raised Catholic, but current status unknown. I have a lot of beefs with the Catholic church so don't point to that as the reason for my stance.

The one thing that Pro-Choicers like to point out is that it's a woman's right to choose. Unfortunately she made the choice when she had unprotected sex. How can you point to the later choice when she made the choice much earlier about whether or not to get pregnant. And don't tell me a baby would "ruin" her life. Sure 9 months of pregnancy would be hard, but adoption is a legitimate option. And if it does "ruin" her life, it's a simple consequence of making that first choice...unprotected sex. Hell, unprotected sex leads to a lot worse things than a baby.

Call it a bundle of cells all you want, but I can tell you from experience that you can hear a heartbeat well within the first trimester. Are you telling me a heartbeat is just a bundle of unformed cells? I can hardly expect what is likely a bunch of single early 20s men to empathize with that, but that's how it is. I just saw the sonogram for my next son at 4 months and could tell what sex he is cuz you can see his dick right there.

And as for the exceptions....unfortunately people die a lot from things they made simple choices about. Smoking cigarettes, eating fatty foods all the time, not using birth control, etc. None of those things are illegal, but they lead to lifelong, or life ending, consequences. And usually if a pregnancy is going to be fatal to the mother, that is not discovered until much later in the pregnancy. As for rape ending in pregnancy, while a tragedy, why compound it with another tragedy. Once again, the "simple" solution is adoption.

I believe that a conceived child is a life, bundle of expanding cells or not. Hell, bacteria often gets more protection than humans do (try working in the CEQA/NEPA world and talk to me). The argument just becomes whether or not it's okay to end that life on a whim or not.

Sorry for long-winded rant.

[Painaid]

Well said, Scytale.

[Falkor]

For relevance: I'm a late 20s male, college educated, married for 4 years, have a 3yr old boy and another 4 months out. Oh, and raised Catholic, but current status unknown. I have a lot of beefs with the Catholic church so don't point to that as the reason for my stance.

for relevance: im male, in college, have a girlfriend. was raised roman catholic but currently nonpracticing

The one thing that Pro-Choicers like to point out is that it's a woman's right to choose. Unfortunately she made the choice when she had unprotected sex. How can you point to the later choice when she made the choice much earlier about whether or not to get pregnant. And don't tell me a baby would "ruin" her life. Sure 9 months of pregnancy would be hard, but adoption is a legitimate option. And if it does "ruin" her life, it's a simple consequence of making that first choice...unprotected sex. Hell, unprotected sex leads to a lot worse things than a baby.

1st off there is more to it than unprotected sex. birth control isnt 100% effective, be it the pill or a condom. maybe it was a one night stand and the guy didnt tell her the condom broke so she couldnt take the morning after pill....maybe she thought her birth control would work but then she misses her next period....its not always as cut & dried as "oh unprotected sex, its the dumbasses fault!"
9 months of pregnancy would be hard, especially if the woman is single. then having to pay for everything by her self would ruin her life. a child is not always a blessing. adoption would then be the best bet, but not always the greatest choice. not every kid gets adopted, and not every kid that gets adopted has loving foster parents. they could be abused, raped, etc. the simplest way to prevent that is either a) dont have sex - not likely since humans love to have sex or b) have an abortion to prevent 9 months of hell and living on the streets with a child, or giving it up to a terrible adoption system
why add more kids to an overcrowded system when there's an easy option. sooner or later we'd be overran by urchin kids who could have been aborted but now overthrow the govt in revenge of having to grow up in orphanages and abusive foster homes /shudder.

Call it a bundle of cells all you want

thx, i will actually.

but I can tell you from experience that you can hear a heartbeat well within the first trimester. Are you telling me a heartbeat is just a bundle of cells?

yea that would pretty much sum it up. heart = cardiac muscles = myocytes = cells.

And as for the exceptions....unfortunately people die a lot from things they made simple choices about. Smoking cigarettes, eating fatty foods all the time, not using birth control, etc. None of those things are illegal, but they lead to lifelong, or life ending, consequences. And usually if a pregnancy is going to be fatal to the mother, that is not discovered until much later in the pregnancy. As for rape ending in pregnancy, while a tragedy, why compound it with another tragedy. Once again, the "simple" solution is adoption.

whoa whoa whoa, hold on there partner. are u actually equating eating fast food and smoking to dying from complications of pregnancy WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED W/ AN ABORTION?! ok well call me in 5 months if your wife/child dies and it could have been prevented. will you really just shrug it off as "oh well, b1tch woulda died from mcdonalds anyways..."???
and as for rape, why in gods name would you want to give life to the child of a rapist. clearly the greater tragedy would be giving birth to that child. abort the sucker. why have to live with that emotional pain of actually carrying the child to term, its bad enough to live with the pain of rape as it is.