Druiddroid

I heard about. It says that the world is completely digital, and it's basically made from this giant "consciousness" thing, and we are all a part of this sort of thing. And as the consciousness becomes more "ordered" (less random, less entropic), it gives "meaning" to stuff (ie - fire = hot). And frankly to me it makes the most sense out of anything else right now.

I believe in a subjective reality. Everything and everyone - even you - are manifestations of my thoughts. I believe you exist, therefore, you exist. If I believe you're an idiot, you're an idiot. If I believe you're a friend, you will be a friend. Because that's how I'll perceive you.

I am a rope. You're a knot in my rope. You're a simulation of my reality. My lungs and heart are no different from yours, they're all me. That doesn't mean you're not real, you're real and I'm real. You're real because I think you are. What you perceive as your reality is just a manifestation of my thoughts. Nothing in my reality has power, except my thoughts themselves. Not my body, not my chair, not my laptop, just my thoughts.

I can win the lottery today if I really believed I could. But I can't as long as even a tiny part of my thoughts believe in the laws of probability. If I want to win every coinflip, I have to believe I can't lose it. If I think, even for a millisecond, that I can lose it, I'll lose it. Because my thoughts manifest my reality.

Whatever I think is impossible for me, is impossible for me. If you believe you can fly, and I believe you can't, you will crash to death. If I believe you can fly, you can fly, and I can fly. But I'd have to let go of every uncertainty and every law I perceive as real.

I believe in the Haruhi Theory. Someone out there is in control of the cosmos and the laws of the multiverse, but they don't know it. If everone had control over the laws of the multiverse all of existence would be thrown into chaos.

I can win the lottery today if I really believed I could.

My issue with this statement is that people go through a lot of shit and when they need help the most it doesn't arrive. You always hear about them getting help, but where one person gets help in their time of need a thousand more are still in the gutter. Simply willing yourself to get something or thinking positively isn't enough and even then you could be shit out of luck.

~Zuty

Originally Posted by Zuty

My issue with this statement is that people go through a lot of shit and when they need help the most it doesn't arrive. You always hear about them getting help, but where one person gets help in their time of need a thousand more are still in the gutter. Simply willing yourself to get something or thinking positively isn't enough and even then you could be shit out of luck.

Everyone goes through shit, you, me, your neighbor, your friends, everyone. Sure, it may vary in size, but we all have to deal with shit at some point in our lives. Most people that are in the gutter are there because they want to be there. They complain about all the bad stuff that has happened to them, and how it got them to where they are now. I can't stand it.

If you have a brain, two hands and two legs you can do anything, no matter what happened. Hiding behind what happened to you and how it was all out of your hands won't get you anywhere. Like my grandfather -a farmer - used to say "Son, you can't milk a cow with your hands in your pants."

Originally Posted by Ishh

Everyone goes through shit, you, me, your neighbor, your friends, everyone. Sure, it may vary in size, but we all have to deal with shit at some point in our lives. Most people that are in the gutter are there because they want to be there. They complain about all the bad stuff that has happened to them, and how it got them to where they are now. I can't stand it.

If you have a brain, two hands and two legs you can do anything, no matter what happened. Hiding behind what happened to you and how it was all out of your hands won't get you anywhere. Like my grandfather -a farmer - used to say "Son, you can't milk a cow with your hands in your pants."

ok ronald reagan. such a replublican response...yes all the homeless are poor and starving because they choose it! h christ its so simple, i mean who wouldnt want the glamorous life of living on the streets and scrounging for money and food!!1!


oh and if you think youre philosophical now, just eat some magic mushrooms and then start thinking

Originally Posted by Falkor

ok ronald reagan. such a replublican response...yes all the homeless are poor and starving because they choose it! h christ its so simple, i mean who wouldnt want the glamorous life of living on the streets and scrounging for money and food!!1!


oh and if you think youre philosophical now, just eat some magic mushrooms and then start thinking

Who are you to tell me stories about homeless people? When I was 14, my parents and sister died in a car crash. They didn't have life insurance and our grandparents were already deceased, so we didn't have a place to go and we had no money. I was lucky, because I spent two years in a foster home, until I was 16 and too old to have a reasonable chance to get adopted. During those years my brother was actually homeless.

When I got out at 16 I joined him, with the money I had left from working in the foster home we bought an address box. Not a home, just a mailbox so we had an address and we could apply for a job. We showered in a public facility and bought clean clothes with the rest of the money. For two years we worked at a supermarket, after 3 months of working there and living outside and working we had enough money to rent a place.

My brother already had an electrician degree at 19, but I couldn't afford school when I got out of the foster home. I rented all the books I needed and I studied after work, at 18 I went to the exam commission in brussels, which is basically a way to get your high school diploma if you didn't attend school. I passed, and the people there wrote me a recommendation letter for a uni scholarship. I got it. Forward two years and this is where I am at 20. Meanwhile me and my brother have gotten adopted, and we have a family again. I'm getting my bachelor this year, and I should get a scholarship for my master. My brother's working as an electrician and he's getting his bachelor by attending evening classes.

We are where we are now because we worked for it, instead of whining and bitching about it. Well, we whined and bitched a lot, but we knew that wasn't going to help us.

I'm not a philosopher, but my experience with the subject gives me the freedom to talk about it.

Originally Posted by Ishh

Everyone goes through shit, you, me, your neighbor, your friends, everyone. Sure, it may vary in size, but we all have to deal with shit at some point in our lives. Most people that are in the gutter are there because they want to be there. They complain about all the bad stuff that has happened to them, and how it got them to where they are now. I can't stand it.

If you have a brain, two hands and two legs you can do anything, no matter what happened. Hiding behind what happened to you and how it was all out of your hands won't get you anywhere. Like my grandfather -a farmer - used to say "Son, you can't milk a cow with your hands in your pants."

I agree with you 210%, but simply willing yourself to become something you are not or clearing your mind of all negativity so you can win the lottery is not going to help.

Everything happens for a reason, but life isn't stuck on a rail. I don't believe in coincidence, only the inevitable. The world is full of both good and evil, chaos and harmony.

~Zuty

Originally Posted by Ishh

Who are you to tell me stories about homeless people? When I was 14, my parents and sister died in a car crash. They didn't have life insurance and our grandparents were already deceased, so we didn't have a place to go and we had no money. I was lucky, because I spent two years in a foster home, until I was 16 and too old to have a reasonable chance to get adopted. During those years my brother was actually homeless.

When I got out at 16 I joined him, with the money I had left from working in the foster home we bought an address box. Not a home, just a mailbox so we had an address and we could apply for a job. We showered in a public facility and bought clean clothes with the rest of the money. For two years we worked at a supermarket, after 3 months of working there and living outside and working we had enough money to rent a place.

My brother already had an electrician degree at 19, but I couldn't afford school when I got out of the foster home. I rented all the books I needed and I studied after work, at 18 I went to the exam commission in brussels, which is basically a way to get your high school diploma if you didn't attend school. I passed, and the people there wrote me a recommendation letter for a uni scholarship. I got it. Forward two years and this is where I am at 20. Meanwhile me and my brother have gotten adopted, and we have a family again. I'm getting my bachelor this year, and I should get a scholarship for my master. My brother's working as an electrician and he's getting his bachelor by attending evening classes.

We are where we are now because we worked for it, instead of whining and bitching about it. Well, we whined and bitched a lot, but we knew that wasn't going to help us.

I'm not a philosopher, but my experience with the subject gives me the freedom to talk about it.

i could give two flying fucks. just b/c you and your brother rose above the adversity doesnt mean everyone can nor does it mean that everyone who is poor/homeless chooses to be.

"You can become anything you want to be." That is probably one of the greatest lies spawned from American rugged individualism I've ever heard. Sociologists would beg to differ. So much of life is chance and we are all constantly being influenced by the larger society. To say we truly control very many of our actions is pretty short-sighted. But I'm not going to write an essay on this topic, that's for my Sociology final later this week.

As for the question of 'God', I would recommend reading Karen Armstrong's latest book, "The Case for God". It's a hefty read no doubt, but it does offer some interesting perspectives on God and religion as a whole and how our perceptions of the divine have really gone astray from the past.

hmm i never understood the concept of "you shape your world with your mind" that much because the world is just.. here. like i didn't imagine that stick on the ground, it's just "there". and when you put the fact that there are millions of conscious people with minds, that are separate, it just seems like everything is "here" rather than people imagining this world.

basically you're an idiot because i percieve you to be an idiot, even though an idiot is just a meaning from consciousness (it doesn't really exist)

also painaid i'm not much for reading things longer than say 500 words so i'd love a summary of that book

Originally Posted by Painaid

"You can become anything you want to be."

~Zuty

Ah, I see. Well everything you're interested in is in the Introduction and Epilogue. That's only a couple pages I think. The rest is just explaining the history of God and how the concept of religion has evolved (many times for the worse) over the ages.

You can probably find some reviews on Amazon.

i read a brief description of the book and it was pretty interesting, i must say it sounds true that if you want to sort of "contact god" if you will, you have to get rid of all your bias and logic and just try to be aware. especially in my case where i think "god" is consciousness

We're made up by atoms through various vibrations, life emerged through certain conditions in the environment. Mass has never been created or destroyed but simply spread out from the Big bang.

Consciousness came from evolution, depending on what definition of consciousness you want I can explain for what purpose it rose. Nothing of what I've said disproves God since he/it could have had an intention when creating a boom but that's nothing I personally believe.

A purpose? Don't waste the limited lifetime you have on earth. If you enjoy doing something then do it, don't be afraid to be judged by others. Life is too short to be afraid of death.

Or our entire existence and every little thing in the universe and beyond is taking place in the mind of an autistic child.

~Zuty

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Avoid just posting a link to something without your own explanation or comment about it.

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Well excuse me, Princess.

~Zuty

"Everything happens for a reason, but life isn't stuck on a rail. I don't believe in coincidence, only the inevitable. The world is full of both good and evil, chaos and harmony."

How can you believe in both the inevitable and that the world is chaotic? Also if the entire universe is in the mind of a child, then I assume the child has parents?

Originally Posted by www.Merriam-Webster.com

Inevitable, adjective, Incapable of being avoided or evaded.

Chaos, noun, A condition or place of great disorder or confusion.

How do they cancel each other out? Something can be unavoidable during a time of confusion.

~Zuty

If we have a specific course for the history of the universe (couldn't think of a better way to phrase that) then we have to assume that that every single vibration even at the atomic level is already predetermined. If there is one set goal then that means we'll reach that point through one course. Even if the course appears chaotic, that would only be from a human perspective. Now I know you can argue that one can reach the same goal through several events but first of all that wouldn't be that same path and wouldn't be Inevitable within one universe.

In short: Something predetermined can't be chaotic.

Definitions of chaotic on the Web:

lacking a visible order or organization
completely unordered and unpredictable and confusing
of or relating to a sensitive dependence on initial conditions

with free will you can make it very chaotic

yes you can conclude there is one path, but heck that could also be a human perspective