Time to replace your Spidersilk cloak (or not)

[Crilicilyn]

precision is an excellent talent. You can go over the hitcap w/ it. And sry, the chart was confusing at first lol. The hit pot argument needs a little more depth.
If your going hitpot vs. no pot than it is definitely hitpot ftw.
Now lets compare it to elixer of lesser agility.
Thats 10hi vs. 8 agility.
I expect that one of you can bring up the dps difference for tht.
Also don't forget that getting hit rating is so easy now. Lets say you have the rogue BoA chest and Shoulders. Thats 10. In that case you are only gaining 5 hit rating (against NE's only) vs. 8 agility from the elixer of lesser agility.
Its up to you.

[Rivfader]

so is it confirmed then that there will be no "of the Archer" itemization, agil/stam/hit? I would argue that just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean it's not there

[Crilicilyn]

it doesn't look likely. :'(

[Secclusion]

Def agree with Juicy here. WSG BIS is gonna be a lot different than arena BIS. Elixir of minor Accuracy ftw...if ur too lazy too farm mats or make an alchy alt then ur loss imo. Vigorous belt of the bandit & tumultous cloak of the bandit. The cloak is easily BIS for WSG. The belt is debatable for the moment for hunters anyway b/c of int. you still may want to use girdle of the blindwatcher if you feel your mana pool is low.

[ArthurianKnight]

i notice how much my post wanst the most direct question i wanted to ask...

the reality is that you are using that software of yours to test ouyt and transform into dps what you need. but the reality is that this is a an RPG and that what makes your dps is all the stats, if i follow your reasonning then even the cloak is not bis for it is just a small 0.10 something boost all by itself.

in an rpg a boost is a boost, and thus may it be 0.10 more or 0.15 more, the difference is there, you take the 0.15 ! taking your exemple, eventually you'll get a free hit which still gives you more damage, thats what i meant, so if someone is capping by potions, then clearly the tumult cloack + band is the better choice.

i dislike the fact of bringing hit rating to low level, but its done so i'll just adjst... but i really think that hit rating isn't as important as it seems... i dont think its worth going over 3-4% but soi say that depending on the gear you have and how much you can get hit rating, i dont think its worth switching the band with pearl ring. use cloack and band for dps and the rest of the gears can go for hit. you got the bow, chest and shoulderrs for a rogue, so why hesitate. not to mention belt as well.

so many ways without dropping way too much stats.
4hit VS bunch of stats to me is quite a mistake.
even the slight 20hp is gold when you fall on those crucial shots.

[Crilicilyn]

My problem is that i managed to get new BiS wsg balance/ap set w/out hitpots. Look at my rogues armory, its perfect. I'm not NE hit capped, but I do have 11 in this set, and 255 AP w/ no stats from my 2 SF's obviously. GG.

[Trespasser]

@ArthurianKnight: One of the things I said was that even if you are hitcapped without any gear and use the hit pots the hit from the pearl ring is still a higher dps gain then the +4 strength and +4 agility (but it is very small).

This is because there is a balance between hit and AP. The more AP you have the more dps hit is worth, and the more hit you got the more dps AP is worth. The problem is when in the 5-10% hit range the +4 agility and +4 strength is worth less then the +4 hit from the pearl ring. (notice that this also depends on the enchants you use as fiery will boost the dps gain from hit rating but not from strength/agility).

@Crilicilyn: One of the things I notice is that you decided to use the new belt from the satchel. This causes you to not be able to use the nimble gloves and as I said a while back expertise is by far the highest dps stat. So you should take a look at what is actually better.
Another thing you have to take into consideration is that expertise is useless when attacking from behind. So you will have to see how the players in your battlegroup are and whether it is easy to get behind them. I didn't do any calculations but my guess is that the 4expertise is worth more than the stats of the fang gloves plus that of the difference in the new belt and the fang belt.

[ArthurianKnight]

Trespasser, but if what you say is true, then kore thread is entirely wrong as hit can be gotten infinitely to make your dps better. we all know thats a false statement there. so your pearl ring if you have 7% hit chances, is entirely false and cannot give better dps.

if you have 7% already let's say by the pots and devaite belt... then your pearl ring is of no use for you'd go over the hit cap and in that case, you gain absolutely nothing out of your pearl ring !

[Trespasser]

Trespasser, but if what you say is true, then kore thread is entirely wrong as hit can be gotten infinitely to make your dps better. we all know thats a false statement there. so your pearl ring if you have 7% hit chances, is entirely false and cannot give better dps.

if you have 7% already let's say by the pots and devaite belt... then your pearl ring is of no use for you'd go over the hit cap and in that case, you gain absolutely nothing out of your pearl ring !

It's seems you are forgetting some thing.
First of all I am saying is from a rogue perspective as the 5% or 7% is a soft hit cap as opposed to the hard hit cap that all other classes have.

Second thing is this: Your special attacks have a 5% chance to miss or 7% against a NE (the soft cap). However your normal melee attacks have a 24% chance to miss or 26% against a NE. The extra hit above this soft cap will still increase the number of normal melee attacks you do (which is about 50% of your damage as a rogue). And you should notice that when using proc weapons or proc enchants the extra hits will give more procs.

The amount of hit you will need to cap your melee attacks is 51hit rating (55 for NE) if your have no points precision or 40hit rating (45 for NE) if you have 5/5 precision.
The problem is that with the current gear and pots it is impossible to get that amount of hit.

Another problem is that like I said there is a balance between hit and AP. And increasing your hit a lot means sacrificing AP (and crit most of the time) in turn reducing the dps gain from hit rating. So increasing your hit in exchange for other stats by to much will results in a dps loss. However like I said with the current stats I have the loss of the stats of the [Legionnaire's Band] is worth the gain of 4 hit rating (of course if you are a rogue).

Also if you took a look at the hit rating thread by kore you should notice that I also made a post there stating that rogues should consider the possibility to take hit rating over the soft cap to increase there dps. (page 2 at the top)
And kore's response:

Oops, i missed that cheers. i'll have a think about how to include rogue proc stuffs.

However it seems he just forgot to add that part.

Also show me how to get that infinite hit rating you are talking about.

[Crilicilyn]

Expertise is a great stat. I use it in my arena set and RvR sets. My current is a Dps heavy wsg set, and i fight at least 80% of the time from behind. Its perfect for my build and playstyle. I use another wsg set if there are a lot of rogues and warriors I need to deal w/.