There has been a great deal of discussion lately in all brackets about making a primary BG for their respective bracket. Why? Because the changes coming with 3.2 are going to keep the non twinks to themselves for the most part. Those with xp turned off are going to go up against others with xp turned off and those with xp turned on… ya, you know what I mean. This has it’s big upside, but it also has a downside for some brackets. The upside is that the games will be more competitive since a typical pug shouldn’t be decided by who has the most twinks anymore. There will still be the “team with the most hunters” issue, but in theory, everyone in a particular BG should be a twink now. The downside is that, in the upper brackets, the queue times are going to be absolutely horrible unless the bg has lots of twinks on both sides queuing at the same time. One of the best solutions that Blizzard could do, and one I would absolutely love, is to make at least the “No XP” queue multi-battlegroup. Players from Ruin might see a pug with players from Ruin, Cyclone, and Vengeance. Fat chance eh?
Since Blizz probably doesn’t care what our fate is, we are going to have to handle it the way we can. There have been some early discussions of where to go for the different brackets. I know that the 49s expect to get hit really hard and Cutletka has already been on a mission to get the 49s in one battlegroup, Ruin. I know that Cyclone and Ruin are the most active 19 brackets right now and having toons both places, I have to say Ruin is much more active right now. Our Horde guild in Ruin has the chance to premade against at least 5 different guilds currently and rumors say there are a couple more in route. There are also some new 19 horde guilds popping up in Ruin too. The 29 bracket is a bracket I have never played in really (expect when my main spent 3 months there a few years ago). I do think I recall that 29s are assembling in Reckoning, but I am unsure. 39s I don’t have a clue on either.
The previous paragraph was all about the US side of the game, what about EU? Shazzrahlol has been giving this some thought and sent this in for us to share…
Hello, as you are well aware: in the next content patch we will see the Exp toggle option, which will make battleground pops very limited to twinks on most battlegroups. Therefore a large number of people, myself included are trying to gather twinks from all over europe to one big battlegroup (Blackout-EU) so that we are actually going to be able to keep playing while at the same time the activity being extremely high.
To help people understand the importance of this you can include these facts:
- 100+ horde are confirmed moving to Draenor on Blackout
- 150+ Alliance are confirmed moving to Al’akir on Blackout
Even individuals from french and german realms are confirmed moving.
What are you plans when 3.2 hits? I have played 19s, 39s, 49s, and 59s and I have to say that I think 19s are going to be fine without some mass exodus, but 39s+ are going to have issues. There are far more “non-twinks” queuing bg in those brackets than twinks.
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Wont be transferring,but my battlegroup is awful.
We’ll just have to see what happens eh?
I welcome all new twinks to Blackout! There’s plenty of alliance 19’s and quite a few horde!
The funny thing about ALL of this “twink isolation” thing is that Bliz had a much easier work-around available to them and missed it somehow. They could have simply made full sets of low level PvP gear available on the 5s (15, 25, etc) and also made it ALL the best-in-slot items available.
Then everyone could have had appropriate gear, and the only major differences would be the enchants (and skill levels) on players. It would not be as much of a matter of how much gold a high level toon poured into a twink, or doing instance farming for that one key item for your twink.
It seems that it would have been far simpler to do this.
Lots of folks are taking a wait and see approach.
One point that’s missed is the physical location of the datacenters that battlegroups are located in; Being in Seattle, Whirlwind could easily merge with Emberstorm but it wouldn’t be technically feasible to merge with a battlegroup from Boston. Additionally, Ruin is located in Dallas and that may mean latency issues for those from the East or West.
I do agree that 19’s are safe because of their popularity. 39’s and up are the big question mark.
I also think we will see a lot of twink lurkers in the exp bg’s…it’s possible they will stay and farm for as long as possible and wait until the last second to turn exp off.
Also, let us not forget that this patch may be absolutely horrid. 20 minute Warsong timer? Tie goes to the first team that capped? Aspect of Cheetah at L16?
I’ve groaned several times re-reading the patch notes this morning. :/
Okay, so I’m one of the few who loves the 20 min timer. I would not have minded 30 mins, but I despise hour long BGs (my record WSG was a bit over 2 hrs).
WSG is the only BG that could potentially never end on its own AND powerful toons could actually extend it on purpose. It’s made for some miserable experiences.
Yeah, I’m all for the 20 min WSG timer. It really should have gone up to 30 mins, but after being GY camped hopelessly by OON in the Vengeance battlegroup (which is a shame considering how incredibly skillful that group seems to be!) I’ll take what I can get in terms of a mercy killing.
US 39s have all been coming to Nightfall where all the action is at nowadays. The rest of you lazy 39s need to get your xfers goin. Especially if youre on a terrible battlegroup like Cyclone, Bloodlust or Stormstrike
I can agree on nightfall for 39’s very active battlegroup and having more xfer over to us would be amazing
Thank you for posting this, didn’t think you actually got the mail, so sorry if I may have spammed you Drayner.
anyone interested in any of this should check this thread out:
http://twinkinfo.com/forums/10-19-bracket/4464-global-thread-all-whom-may-concern.html
The 20 min timer is horrible idea for true twinks that enjoy scheduled premading, it’s going to kill the intesity of the very challenging back and forth that goes on when two guilds that are at the top of their game go up against each other.
Oh and 19s if you’re not in Ruin already better start making plans for the mass migration, it’s about to get huge!
Yeah, I’m really concerned that my 59 druid’s going to be forced to retire from her bracket with the new patch. I’ve been thinking of leveling her anyway, but it’s still hard to think of leaving.
I’m tempted to move to Al’Akir but the cost of transfer is putting me off
Black out is my battle group, it really needs more twinks=) your welcome guys=P
Ps, go alliance =) jk
anyone know how 39s @ Rampage EU are? Active or?
For L60 and L70 players on “capped accounts” (i.e., didn’t buy the expansions), the consensus is to stay on capped accounts and not utilize the “no xp” option, so that we’ll stay in the larger player pool.
For L60, Reckoning is touting themselves as the best battlegroup, but I think a wait-and-see approach is the way to go to see the fall-out of the 3.2 debacle.
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Evolving… Not to sure if people who attend this site have that one singular word in mind…
Gotta say I’m sick of all the 39 Nightfall people just coming in and saying “omg transfer to us were the best for premades”
It’s just that you guys are having more people saying to transfer to your battlegroup, Reckoning is fine without you guys trying to mess it up
Bare in mind the whole point in this ‘thread’ or whatever it is, is to be aimed at EU players in the 19 bracket only, who are interested in looking for a new and active home for their twink in patch 3.2, no offense US guys, but can you take your posts about Ruin battlegroup, and 39’s in Nightfall somewhere else please? It doesnt look as clear as it was intended to look with your posts on here about somthing completely off-topic, thanks
And it’s also about gathering all twinks into one place, hence the title, so my posts are perfectly on topic THANKS
Blackout wtf!!
/Devilchild-sunstrider…
im interested in seeing what happens with 39s
i know quite a few battlegroups will have maybe if any 1-2 games pop a day
cant wait
I wish there had been some better coordination for this, speaking as someone who plays in many different brackets. I like having all of my characters on the same server, so that my main can give them all the mats they need. But, if I’m forced to send my 49’s to one battlegroup, my 39’s to another, and my 29’s to a third…it’s going to make it difficult. Hopefully it works out. THere’s a real opportunity for a GREAT environment.
In the past month or so our ques on 49 horde-side have gotten incredibely bad I think due to people getting scared about the future of twinking. I’ve seen a large number of horde quing, but no alliance sadly…when I que on my alliance twinks the ques are instant to 2-3 minutes. So I’m really not sure how much worse it could get aside from 40-50 minute singular ques. For me, the patch has already arrived.
I think one thing people aren’t considering is the fact that it shouldn’t be THE CUSTOMER’S responsibility to solve this problem. The only thing that mass transfering will accomplish is providing more money into the cash cow and further detering Blizzard from having a reason to come up with a reasonable solution on their own (i.e. BG merges or retaining current que system). On the other hand, maybe it will be a wake up call for them when they start to see a massive influx of transfers into one battlegroup thus causing some slight stability issues (maybe).
If Blizzard really had any clue about twinking they would of came up with a better system in the first place. But it’s pretty obvious now that its on the bottom of their priority list, yet they still have the audacity to mock us with xp-npc emotes and pretty plainly ignore the twink community at large? I dunno, I have 5 twinks and I am just not sure I am up for shelling out all that money for a bunch of toons simply to fix a problem that shouldn’t be in my hands in the first place.
Beachcomber wrote: “One point that’s missed is the physical location of the datacenters that battlegroups are located in; Being in Seattle, Whirlwind could easily merge with Emberstorm but it wouldn’t be technically feasible to merge with a battlegroup from Boston. Additionally, Ruin is located in Dallas and that may mean latency issues for those from the East or West.”
For myself and other oceanic players, it wouldn’t make much of a difference playing on a server that is located on the eastern side compared to the western side of the states. It’s still going to be ~400ms ping.
I’m not sure what I’ll do yet, as I’m in the 29s bracket. Might have to merge to another BG, or play in another bracket all together (probably 19s, because there’s more of you!”.
Blackout…wtf are you talking about? The post isn’t about EU it’s about gathering twinks into one battlegroup, regardless of EU or US.
I just love the fact that this will net Blizzard enormous sums of transfer fees just so that we can have proper games. I guess 19 and 29 will work mostly anywhere but anything higher than that will probably have to transfer. I wonder if i will ever again will see a real AV with my 69 twinks…
Hope someone can organize 39 bracket battlegroup to gather up.
Providing lots good horde and ally players to play and have challange.
Hope this will be one realm. So we can organize epig world PvP fights =))
mehh i got mixed feelings through and through but, it really won’t matter the fun part about being a twink is dealing w/ the changes and changing your setup to meet those challenges.
still… I actually would’ve transfered if my realm didn’t ressurect its twinks in the past month.
I’m skeptical about whether the EU merge will be a success. What happened on CoA could easily happen again on Al’Akir/Draenor due to guilds/flaming.
As for 69 twinks in the EU, I’m going to try organise some sort of merge. I’m slowly building up a guild on Chamber of Aspects alliance. We can try sort something out in the 60-69 section.
Uh this isn’t just about EU twinks this is about all twinks and us surviving the 3.2 patch as best we can, therefore the message for U.S. 19s to xfer to Ruin BG is a valid one.
For the person that posted about Ruin Server being in Dallas and causing latency issues, this is false. I know players on the East and West coasts that play on Ruin with no latency issues whatsoever and actually I know players in both Australia, New Zealand, Japan and England that play on Ruin again with little to no latency issues.
So come one, come all, if you’re 19 and U.S. and even if you’re not but in a neighboring timezone or close by, then Ruin BG is the place to be.
I live in ohio and ive been playing on texas servers forever, the thing i hate most about it is that “position lag” in arenas where it looks like you’re 20 feet in front of a someone and they’re still hitting you.
I kind of want to move to a boston server but there wont really be any twinks to play with/against if everyone who really plays goes to ruin or cyclone (texas servers)
I imagine the same goes for people playing on the west coast. id like it if no-xp bg’s were universal, but could we hope for such a thing?
“For the person that posted about Ruin Server being in Dallas and causing latency issues, this is false. I know players on the East and West coasts that play on Ruin with no latency issues whatsoever and actually I know players in both Australia, New Zealand, Japan and England that play on Ruin again with little to no latency issues.”
Sorry but you need to do some research into basic networking.
The distance and number of hops increases your latency. For example, my cable connection to a Seattle server is 60 milliseconds. My connection to a Boston server will often be 180+ ms. Some days it is a bit faster.
I also know people from Brazil and Japan that play in the US and latency is always an issue for them. As I said, playing a warrior especially is noticeably harder due to the target being out of range.
That little bit of time does matter when you’re fighting against someone who is close to the datacenter and they get flag drops and gouges off before you do as a result.
If you really want to see the effect that latency has, try playing on a satellite connection sometime where the latency is 1.8k or higher. These folks see a lot of warping in game and have to roll healing classes just so they can participate.
the ultimate form of protest.
pay them gobs of money to let you keep playing the way you want
somehow i dont think 40,000 people all threatening to pay $25 ea for a move to a new battle group is going to get bliz to suddenly jump and make it all unnecessary.
@Chienna – I don’t think anyone is considering this as a protest. This is people rolling with the punches rather than sit in 1+ hour queues complaining about it. The people organizing these movements are being proactive to ensure their game play is preserved.
Warmly welcome to Draenor EU Blackout everyone who are interrested in transfering !:)
I hope you will come and join us soon, those not here yet =) .
When you arrive whisper me and I can invite you to our guild. And let me know if u got vent and I will give you the 49 EU Blackout Vent info
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I hope to see more twinks and especially forthynines soon.
Best regards Andrakla-.
sorry for posting twice had some problems
Come to Azjol nerub 39s, many twinks already migrated/rerolled there because of its a good normal server, where two of the most aktive twinks guilds are. (Gets paid and Couple of rogues). Sure there can be maken world pvp event between the guilds, as they work together already!
dont get me wrong.. im not disprespecting them .. im just saying that it plays right into blizzards greedy moneygrubbing uncaring hands.
present us with a situation wherein our only recourse besides take what they shove down our throats is to PAY them to make it all better.
its why WOW is going to die
Why can’t Blizzard merge all the battlegroups into 2 or maybe 3? that would solve the queu times.
EU: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=9520918031&sid=1&pageNo=1
Shame it turned into a flame-fest :/
@ feaire: this will become an even greater success than Chamber of Aspects because of two main reasons:
1. People are moving, so that they’ll actually be able to play AT ALL.
2. This time around, We’ve recruited on a more “professional” level which was not the case with COA as that was almost an random fluke.
Blackout eu ir pretty nice @19 currently, especially if you’re horde.
Blizzard is tactful, don’t let them fool you. I would not pay a dime to transfer servers from a blizzard created situation.
seems like Blackout is the place to be for 49s aswell
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